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    "There's a good chance I may have committed some light...treason."
    July 11, 2017 10:10 AM   Subscribe

    More shocking developments have come to light (Matt Shuham and Allegra Kirkland, TPM) in the on-going investigation into the Trump campaign's alleged efforts with the Russian Government to undermine the integrity of United States Presidential election and the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. Meanwhile, the so-called Better Care Reconciliation Act, the Republican effort to undermine health insurance for tens of millions people, has met with resistance from all parts of the political spectrum.
    On July 8th, Jo Becker, Matt Apuzzo, and Adam Goldman of the New York Times published a piece detailing a previously undisclosed June 9th, 2016 meeting in Trump Tower between Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner, and Kremlin linked attorney, Natalia Veselnitskaya. On July 9th, the New York Times team followed up with another story revealing that Trump Jr. had been promised information from the Russian Government that would be damaging to the Clinton campaign. On July 10th, the team of Becker, Apuzzo, Goldman, and Maggie Haberman broke a third story about the secret meeting stating that Trump Jr. had been informed in email that the Russian Government was attempting to aid his father's campaign.

    Shortly before Becker, Apuzzo, and Goldman were to break a fourth story regarding the contents of the emails on July 11th, Donald Trump Jr. tweeted a statement and what appears to be a copy of the email chain with Rob Goldstone (1, 2). Lindsey Graham is, as usual, disturbed by these revelations, while Tim Kaine pulls no punches in asserting that the investigation may be getting into potential "treason" (Esme Cribb, TPM).

    In healthcare news, the effort to force 22 million people off their health insurance is facing resistance in the Republican caucus with seven Senators from opposite ends of the ideological spectrum not backing the legislation (538, Perry Bacon, Jr.). Direct actions in Washington DC have been poignant and also led to arrests of peaceful protesters (tweets from Jeff Stein of Vox).

    (Thanks also to melissasaurus for the title, which references this wonderful Arrested Development clip.) posted by Excommunicated Cardinal (3601 comments total) 149 users marked this as a favorite   Bravo!
    posted by notyou at 10:13 AM on July 11 [3 favorites]

    Wow, I made it to the end of a post!
    posted by zug at 10:13 AM on July 11 [13 favorites]

    God bless every single person who's made a politics thread for waiting until now to use the George Bluth Sr. quote.
    posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 10:14 AM on July 11 [251 favorites]

    As frequently as Senator Graham experiences "concerns" and "troubles" you would think he would be compelled to act, in some way, to get rid of those feelings by maybe removing the source of said troubles of concerns.
    posted by Tevin at 10:14 AM on July 11 [48 favorites]

    OK. I can see that Lucy is holding the football. I'm gonna run up to it and kick it. I'm ready. Here I go.
    posted by prefpara at 10:14 AM on July 11 [129 favorites]

    One thing that's so frustrating about this shit is that I spend dealing with impostor syndrome and trying to get things just so, while these fucking guys don't seem to have the slightest clue how bad they are at what they do. I go back and forth between gratitude that I'm not a treasonous fuckup and envy at just how oblivious they apparently get to be.
    posted by OverlappingElvis at 10:14 AM on July 11 [161 favorites]

    You know what's incredible? All the Trumps could have gone on being as crooked and shady as ever, if only Donald Trump hadn't made a serious bid for president. Or even if he had just shut up *at all* after being elected. Pride truly goeth before a fall.
    posted by Autumnheart at 10:14 AM on July 11 [79 favorites]

    And that's why you don't have your dumbest adult child handle the treason operation
    posted by 0xFCAF at 10:15 AM on July 11 [64 favorites]

    @Bencjacobs: This is like if the Watergate burglars were Joe Pesci and Daniel Stern
    posted by Atom Eyes at 10:16 AM on July 11 [105 favorites]

    The Trumps are a crime family, why are they so bad at crime??? Ridiculous.
    posted by Artw at 10:16 AM on July 11 [44 favorites]

    For those of you using the brownest of the brown liquors to cope Trump might fuck up bourbon for you too:

    If President Trump follows through on his threat to impose tariffs on steel imports, expect to see an immediate response from the European Union — including retaliatory tariffs on, of all things, bourbon.

    This may seem an oddly disproportionate choice. Everyone needs steel; bourbon, on the other hand, is just a hipster fad and a good-ole-boy mainstay, right?

    In fact, a punitive tariff on bourbon and other American whiskeys would be both a symbolic and a substantive body blow — a strike at a unique American product that is enormously popular overseas. Should the tariff dominoes fall, it will be a case study in the shortsightedness of a supposedly “America first” trade policy that, in the end, hurts Americans the most.

    posted by mandolin conspiracy at 10:17 AM on July 11 [30 favorites]

    Two links from the end of the prior thread, thanks to mandolin conspiracy, both from Robert Faturechi, ProPublica, and Danielle Ivory, The New York Times: The Deep Industry Ties of Trump’s Deregulation Teams (NYT) and Trump Has Secretive Teams to Roll Back Regulations, Led by Hires With Deep Industry Ties (ProPublica) We’ve found many appointees with potential conflicts of interest, including two who might personally profit if particular regulations are undone.

    Only two who might personally profit? Yeah, that's my current level of jaded disdain for the reeking, toxic swamp goblins who march behind Trump.
    posted by filthy light thief at 10:17 AM on July 11 [23 favorites]

    William Henry Harrison: 32 days.
    Donald John Trump: 172 days and counting.
    James Garfield: 200 days.
    posted by dances_with_sneetches at 10:19 AM on July 11 [11 favorites]

    To be fair, if the Trumps haven't been showcasing an almost-literally terminal case of Imposter Syndrome, we wouldn't be here. If they thought they had legitimately earned their place, they wouldn't be constantly Hillary this and Obama that. Of course, it doesn't help that it's coming to light that they are, in fact, imposters.
    posted by Autumnheart at 10:19 AM on July 11 [15 favorites]

    As frequently as Senator Graham experiences "concerns" and "troubles" you would think he would be compelled to act, in some way, to get rid of those feelings by maybe removing the source of said troubles of concerns.

    He's concerned in the way that someone might be concerned about high blood pressure or an enlarged prostate.
    posted by Talez at 10:20 AM on July 11 [8 favorites]

    All the Trumps could have gone on being as crooked and shady as ever, if only Donald Trump hadn't made a serious bid for president.

    i'm not sure they could have - i sort of think that trump's presidential run was actually a Producers-style scam to do massive fundraising, lose, and then pay off old real estate debt with all the money left in the campaign fund. but then they had to go and blow the whole thing by winning.
    posted by murphy slaw at 10:22 AM on July 11 [158 favorites]

    The Trumps are a crime family, why are they so bad at crime??? Ridiculous.

    Senate: President Crimer, did you do a Russia treason?

    President Crimer: *puts on sunglasses*
    posted by middleclasstool at 10:22 AM on July 11 [71 favorites]

    Daily Beast: Trump Aides Freaking Out Over Don Jr.'s Russia Email: The 'Sum Of All Fears', in which nobody in the White House will defend Don Jr, even anonymously. The revelation of these emails immediately sent shockwaves through the White House.

    “This is sum of all fears stuff. It’s what we’ve all been dreading,” said one White House official who is now exploring the possibility of retaining an attorney, a step described as purely precautionary.
    ...
    The Daily Beast contacted multiple senior White House staffers on Tuesday to solicit defenses of Trump Jr., even anonymously. Each individual immediately referred questions to Junior’s legal and public-relations team, emphasizing that the president’s son is not a federal employee.
    ...
    Over the past week, one senior White House official and a former top Trump campaign aide both independently and bluntly described the president’s son as an “idiot” — one who played a role in the campaign and Trump’s political rise simply because he “shares the same DNA,” the official noted.
    I also love this sentence just as a matter of journalistic practice: "White House and former campaign officials who were reached by The Daily Beast spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not cleared to vent about President Trump’s first-born son."
    posted by zachlipton at 10:23 AM on July 11 [93 favorites]

    Don't know if this has been linked to before, but here's a refresher on all five kids, from 2015. Sometimes I forget who is doing what.
    posted by Melismata at 10:24 AM on July 11 [1 favorite]

    President Trump now asking the Kremlin whether they'd be willing to accept his son for adoption.
    posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 10:24 AM on July 11 [42 favorites]

    The 'Sum Of All Fears'

    As the past year has taught us, that movie left out a lot of fears. Class-action lawsuit anyone?
    posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 10:25 AM on July 11 [7 favorites]

    ...to accept his son for adoption.
    [false but likely tag]
    posted by Namlit at 10:25 AM on July 11 [3 favorites]

    Guys....I'm so ready to start poppin' corn with y'all and let the celebration begin...but it just feels like we've been down this road too many times before. I've become too jaded to accept that this latest revelation is necessarily going to lead somewhere.

    The media is treating this right now like yet-another moment we went from smoke to fire. I fear they're working with the wrong metaphor; that instead we've just upped the temp of the not-yet-boiling-water from 175 to 180(F). The takeaway DJT may be going for is that the emails prove the purported "evidence" the trumps were seeking was only to prove Hilary was the one conspiring. SHE was the one with the illegal contact and dealings; the trumps were being patriots by proving it. "And, of course Don jr wouldn't release it if it ACTUALLY showed something illegal- all this demonstrates is that the trumps were trying to get the bottom of Crooked Hilary's never-ending scams. It is absolutely disgusting that the fake media is so desperate for talking points that they twist the words of a true patriot like DJT." - cue conservative talking point.

    All this will do is continue to raise the bar for the gray legal area of collusion, rather than lower it. We continue to become ever so more complacent, taking known liars at their word and giving their indenfisible actions an acceptable level of spin. Since the republicans have conceded that ignorance of criminal conduct remains a valid excuse (I know, I know, IOKIYAR), I don't see this leading anywhere. Yet. Just another drip-drip of diarrhea in a seemingly bottomless septic tank.
    posted by andruwjones26 at 10:26 AM on July 11 [68 favorites]

    For the folks playing along at home, I'd like to make sure everyone catches this excerpt from Don Jr.'s apparent defense Rob Goldstone: This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump

    ....

    Donald Trump Jr: Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

    Further thoughts and annotations from WaPo.
    posted by Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug at 10:26 AM on July 11 [12 favorites]

    > i sort of think that trump's presidential run was actually a Producers-style scam to do massive fundraising, lose, and then pay off old real estate debt with all the money left in the campaign fund. but then they had to go and blow the whole thing by winning.

    This makes sense, but I just cannot get my mind around how broke they must have been in order to resort to this plan *despite* being CORRUPT AS SHIT their entire lives.
    posted by The Card Cheat at 10:27 AM on July 11 [13 favorites]

    i think we need the advice of constitutional scholars here - does the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors" to be impeached for include being too stupid to pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel?

    if so, the whole lot is GUILTY
    posted by pyramid termite at 10:29 AM on July 11 [8 favorites]

    Betsy DeVos meets with ‘men’s rights’ activists

    Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning (to hate women)?
    posted by zombieflanders at 10:29 AM on July 11 [113 favorites]

    The Trumps are a crime family, why are they so bad at crime??? Ridiculous.

    They're also a casino family bad at casinos, a hotel family bad at hotels, a "Christian" family that has trouble honoring the ten commandments...

    Someone else can take and make more of these. I'm tired.
    posted by deezil at 10:29 AM on July 11 [51 favorites]

    Metafilter (politics threads): Someone else can take and make more of these. I'm tired.
    posted by RolandOfEld at 10:31 AM on July 11 [71 favorites]

    I do not, under any circumstances, believe that Junior's meeting with Russia will do anything to remove President Trump from office or weaken his standing with the Congressional GOP.

    However, it would bring me no greater joy than to see President Trump's favorite boy end up as the greasy stain on the floor that makes Trump crash and break.
    posted by Tevin at 10:31 AM on July 11 [12 favorites]

    Metafilter (mods of politics threads): I'm tired.
    posted by ZeusHumms at 10:32 AM on July 11 [25 favorites]

    The Trumps are a crime family, why are they so bad at crime??? Ridiculous.

    Because America is set up to support, forgive, ignore, and generally celebrate criminals who call themselves businesspeople.
    posted by maxsparber at 10:32 AM on July 11 [70 favorites]

    I can't tell satire from "reality" scripting anymore.
    posted by infini at 10:34 AM on July 11 [1 favorite]

    When is the next mass protest in DC going to take place? I need to do SOMETHING to express my outrage, beyond calling my Senator/House Rep to say thanks for doing things I agree with and speaking out against this travesty.

    It's unfathomable that this is where we are now, and so fast too. The G20 stuff with the US on the outside. Japan just announced they are holding TPP talks without the US. How did five months see such a decline of leadership?
    posted by gemmy at 10:34 AM on July 11 [10 favorites]

    Guys....I'm so ready to start poppin' corn with y'all and let the celebration begin...but it just feels like we've been down this road too many times before. I've become too jaded to accept that this latest revelation is necessarily going to lead somewhere.

    Big revelations like this, developed separately by the press (and then by moronic participants), are never going to bring the administration down on their own. They just can't in this situation. Trump's just not a guy who's going to resign because of a damaging news story.

    What they do is alter the media and political landscape, move the Overton Window. The crux to all of this is how comfortable congressional Republicans feel about blocking impeachment. When the Overton window moves to such a point that they feel like they're at risk if they defend him, then things can happen. Those things will probably be driven by the Mueller investigation, which is humming along quietly on its own track.

    That's my read, anyway, based on what I know about the system in general and the way Watergate shook out in particular.
    posted by the phlegmatic king at 10:34 AM on July 11 [77 favorites]

    Over the past week, one senior White House official and a former top Trump campaign aide both independently and bluntly described the president’s son as an “idiot” "Life's tough. Its even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne — @DonaldJTrumpJr
    posted by octobersurprise at 10:34 AM on July 11 [16 favorites]

    Poor Jared Sexton: "I...worked on this story for a year...and...he just...he tweeted it out."

    "This is the dumbest and biggest crime in the history of American politics. There's not even a close second."
    posted by straight at 10:34 AM on July 11 [112 favorites]

    Also: I know everyone is doing this anyway, but if you live in a place where your congressional delegation are Republicans, each of these big news events makes a great excuse to call them and tell them that this is inexcusable.
    posted by the phlegmatic king at 10:36 AM on July 11 [19 favorites]

    The Trumps are quintessential American nobility - all power, no nuance.
    posted by ZeusHumms at 10:36 AM on July 11 [3 favorites]

    "Life's tough. Its even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne — @DonaldJTrumpJr

    The punchline is the comment below that. Man Bartlett‏ @man 14h14 hours ago
    Replying to @DonaldJTrumpJr

    Also, not a John Wayne quote lse can take and make more of these. I'm tired.
    posted by deezil at 10:29 AM on July 11 [51 favorites]

    Metafilter (politics threads): Someone else can take and make more of these. I'm tired.
    posted by RolandOfEld at 10:31 AM on July 11 [71 favorites]

    I do not, under any circumstances, believe that Junior's meeting with Russia will do anything to remove President xDMxDM with the Congressional GOP.

    However, it would bring me no greater joy than to see President Trump's favorite boy end up as the greasy stain on the floor that makes Trump crash and break.
    posted by Tevin at 10:31 AM on July 11 [12 favorites]

    Metafilter (mods of politics threads): I'm tired.
    posted by ZeusHumms at 10:32 AM on July 11 [25 favorites]

    The Trumps are a crime family, why are they so bad at crime??? Ridiculous.

    Because America is set up to support, forgive, ignore, and generally celebrate criminals who call themselves businesspeople.
    posted by maxsparber at 10:32 AM on July 11 [70 favorites]

    I can't tell satire from "reality" scripting anymore.
    posted by infini at 10:34 AM on July 11 [1 favorite]

    When is the next mass protest in DC going to take place? I need to do SOMETHING to express my outrage, beyond calling my Senator/House Rep to say thanks for doing things I agree with and speaking out against this travesty.

    It's unfathomable that this is where we are now, and so fast too. The G20 stuff with the US on the outside. Japan just announced they are holding TPP talks without the US. How did five months see such a decline of leadership?
    posted by gemmy at 10:34 AM on July 11 [10 favorites]

    Guys....I'm so ready to start poppin' corn with y'all and let the celebration begin...but it just feels like we've been down this road too many times before. I've become too jaded to accept that this latest revelation is necessarily going to lead somewhere.

    Big revelations like this, developed separately by the press (and then by moronic participants), are never going to bring the administration down on their own. They just can't in this situation. Trump's just not a guy who's going to resign because of a damaging news story.

    What they do is alter the media and political landscape, move the Overton Window. The crux to all of this is how comfortable congressional Republicans feel about blocking impeachment. When the Overton window moves to such a point that they feel like they're at risk if they defend him, then things can happen. Those things will probably be driven by the Mueller investigation, which is humming along quietly on its own track.

    That's my read, anyway, based on what I know about the system in general and the way Watergate shook out in particular.
    posted by the phlegmatic king at 10:34 AM on July 11 [77 favorites]

    Over the past week, one senior White House official and a former top Trump campaign aide both independently and bluntly described the president’s son as an “idiot” "Life's tough. Its even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne — @DonaldJTrumpJr
    posted by octobersurprise at 10:34 AM on July 11 [16 favorites]

    Poor Jared Sexton: "I...worked on this story for a year...and...he just...he tweeted it out."

    "This is the dumbest and biggest crime in the history of American politics. There's not even a close second."
    posted by straight at 10:34 AM on July 11 [112 favorites]

    Also: I know everyone is doing this anyway, but if you live in a place where your congressional delegation are Republicans, each of these big news events makes a great excuse to call them and tell them that this is inexcusable.
    posted by the phlegmatic king at 10:36 AM on July 11 [19 favorites]

    The Trumps are quintessential American nobility - all power, no nuance.
    posted by ZeusHumms at 10:36 AM on July 11 [3 favorites]

    "Life's tough. Its even tougher if you're stupid" John Wayne — @DonaldJTrumpJr

    The punchline is the comment below that. Man Bartlett‏ @man 14h14 hours ago
    Replying to @DonaldJTrumpJr

    Also, not a John Wayne quote QWGMxDM&xDMJGM`\zǿL

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